
If God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, Ezekiel 18:23, 18:32, 33:11; why are people still dying as wicked people? Do we dare say that it was their choice to remain wicked and therefore died the death of the wicked? Was God involved in such death?
Are we really, accurately saying that the wicked made a decision to die in their sins? Was God completely powerless over their wickedness and couldn't do anything to save them? What causes a wicked man to turn from his wicked ways and repent to find life in God?
Does man have the ability to chose whom he will serve? Or has it been appointed who will and who will not repent? Is God the author of life and death? Of good and evil? Does anything happen, calamity or blessing without God determining the event in advance? Does He create light and darkness, good and evil? And what's up with all the questions?
The bible has the answer to all those questions and they are mind boggling. That is the purpose; to boggle our minds; to exclaim: wow! How great is our God; He reigns!!
Let's see if we can make an argument in His favor, not that we need to, but just to reason, let's see if we can logically demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is in control of all things, and also in control of who comes to believe and who remains in their sin unto perdition.
I can never come to the bible and bring my misconceptions about what the truth should be; we as humans make assumptions based on what we perceive the truth to be; but do we really know the truth? When we as Christians believe that the bible is the word of God; do we believe everything it says? Everything God says?
Do we believe Genesis chapter one, two and three to be true? If we don't, then we can't really believe the rest of the book, can we? It is, in fact, a matter of faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God; that is what He says, do we believe that we are able somehow to produce faith on our own? We shouldn't since faith is a gift from God (Eph. 2:8-9)
I think I should try to start from the beginning, yeah, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Ok, maybe not, it's going to make this too long, let's start with...in the beginning God....there is no other place to start; I have to start with God.
God is the source of all things; everything starts with Him. He is the creator of heaven and earth; He is the creator of man, of animals, of the oceans, the fish, the billions of billions of stars in the universe; of the trillions of quadrillions of atoms in all things; and if I believe that He is the creator, as Genesis chapter one says, then I have to believe that He made everything with a predetermined plan, and with a predetermined purpose; He didn't create the universe like a top to let it spin out of control. I used to love tops when I was a kid, I was good at it; anyway....
In Genesis one, it says that Elohim (Elohim is plural for God); created the heavens and the earth, so it was the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit; who created everything. The Triune God created everything. In Acts 17:24 it says that God created everything, Theos; He is Lord, Kurios, of everything, in Hebrews 1:1-2 it says that God, Theos, created the worlds by His Son; so the Son created everything.
John chapter one says that the Word created everything, the Word (the Logos, the Speech, as Calvin puts it) was with God and the Word was God, and the Word is Jesus Christ; so Jesus Christ is God. So in the beginning Jesus created the heavens and the earth; He is the one who said, let there be light, and there was light; He is the one who said, it is good; He is the one who created everything perfect, and good. In Hebrews 11:3 it says that the worlds were framed by the Word of God.
Ok that's good; I'm done. Not really.
God created man perfect; He created the universe perfect, everything was perfect; and then sin entered into the universe. Sin entered into the universe but not by man, it was Satan who first rebelled against God and he was cast down to the earth; he was already in the earth as he deceived Eve to sin. What caused the universe to fall into decay and death was the sin of man; the point is that the second law of thermodynamics came into place by the introduction of sin.
We know by what the bible says, that death was non-existent before Adam and Eve sinned; they were supposed to have eternal life as they were, but death came as part of the penalty for sin. Physical death, mental and spiritual death; eternal separation from God Genesis 2:17.
This is important, not only because God included the history of sin in Genesis, but because it affected every human being that has come into existence, except Jesus of course; so that now as it has been since then, even babies die even if they have not done anything good or evil, they are born sinners subject to death. We were all born sinners destined to die, 1Cor. 15:22; in fact, the statistics are staggering: 100% of all people die. Even Jesus died once, not because of sin, but for sin; our sin was imputed to Him and His righteousness to us: 2Cor. 5:21.
We can blame it all on Adam and Eve, but the fact is that we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners; we enjoy sin, we love it in fact; and we do because it is fun, it is attractive and we enjoy it when we do it; that is, naturally, without having a new nature or a new heart we love to sin, it is appealing to the flesh. We have no excuse, Rom. 2:1.
We know that the natural mind cannot please God, it is opposed to the law of God and it cannot be subject to Him; the natural man is at enmity with God, Romans 8:5-8. We are enemies of God without Christ.
Not only that but all people have broken God's law: Rom. 8:23; 1Kings 8:46; Rom. 3:9-18; Ecc. 7:20.
Based on the above; we are under condemnation because of our nature, we are by nature children of wrath: Eph. 2:3, we love darkness: John 3:19; we are dead in trespasses and sins: Eph. 2:1; we are captives of Satan: 2Tim. 2:26; and we should be punished for our sin; all of us. God is not pleased with us as humans, in fact He is angry because of our trespasses and sins; and in His justice He has to pour out His wrath on somebody, someone has to pay the penalty of our lawlessness.
But God has a plan; and all these things are part of the plan; Rom. 8:28. When I consider scriptures like Romans 8:28-30, then I start thinking about grace. Part of the plan of God is to demonstrate the riches of His grace; to the praise of the glory of His grace, Paul says, Eph. 1:6.
So before I get sidetracked, I should say, again, that God finds no pleasure in the death of the wicked; there is no joy in that for Him; but that does not mean that some people will not die in their wickedness; in fact millions die without Christ all over the world; everyday.
Now by reason of logic; if God is all powerful, and nothing can stay His hand, Dan. 4:35; and for God nothing is impossible: Luke 1:37; and He does whatever He pleases: Psalm 115:3, do we think we can defy God's salvation and say no to His grace? In other words, can we think even for a minute that we can refuse His power, and the gospel, and there is nothing God can do about it? I don't think so.
God is powerful enough to overcome anyone's physical, mental and spiritual abilities, if they had any, and save them even if they don't want to; if I say that God cannot overcome man's sinfulness and "free will" and that we as humans can thwart His plans; it would reduce God to a semi-God, a God that the only thing He could do was to sit back and watch people go to hell because He could not do anything about it.
But the truth of the matter is that God can, and will, overcome anyone's resistance, and bring to salvation whomever He pleases. The problem is that we have a very distorted view of who God is, and of what the bible teaches about His plan of salvation; His sovereignty is exalted all over the bible, but we think we have more power than He does when we assert our self-determination and say that we can come to God on our terms and whenever we please; that way of thinking is offensive to His glory and His grace.
People don't like to hear it; but the fact is hat God chose from the beginning who would be saved; "oh no, you can't say that, that's Calvinism, that is a demonic doctrine; that makes preaching the gospel useless"; where are we? What kind of age is this? And what kind of bible are you reading?
First of all; let us see what the bible says; the bible is the supreme authority in our discussion, not my point of view, nor your point of view; nor all the philosophy and empty deceit whereby we are being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine; or all the human assumptions that we have been led to believe for the last hundreds of years. What matters is what the bible says; if we are not going to the Word of God for the truth, then it doesn't matter what we say, and it doesn't matter how well I make it fit my preconceptions.
Let start with Ephesians chapter one; (now remember that the words of the bible are without error in the original manuscripts; God inspired men through His Spirit to write His thoughts and communicate the truth to us 2Tim. 3:16); Eph. 1:4-6: just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
What Paul is saying here is that God chose us before Genesis one; when I read the word "chose" it is obvious that God had more than one option in His choice. It is obvious, also, that he is not talking about two people but about two groups of people; the ones He chose, and the ones He didn't choose; I don't see any other interpretation to the passage. But it goes beyond being two groups of people, the choosing is being performed to individuals, we can see that by the context; adoption as children.
Just in case that someone might argue to the contrary, here is the original word: G1586 eklegomai; (ek-leg'-om-ahee). Middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense); to select: - make choice, choose (out), chosen. Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries.
The same word is used by Jesus when talking to the disciples: John 6:70 Have I not chosen you, and one of you is a devil? This reminds me that the twelve were chosen by Jesus and when you read the accounts in the different gospels, you can see how Jesus was looking for them, He was actually walking around looking for them because He knew who they were. He says the same thing in John 15:16, and John 15:19, and uses the same word, eklegomai. They were chosen before the foundation of the world; just like us.
There are more scriptures that talk about God's election of the believers, but I'm just going to mention one more: 2Thes. 2:13. You can read it yourself.
Romans 8:28-30 is one of my favorite sections of the bible: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Here, foreknowledge is virtually synonymous with election; but people refuse to believe it because of human self-determination; but the reality is that this fore-knowledge is not talking about a future action on our part; it doesn't refer to our future believing.
The way this is usually interpreted by our Arminian friends is like this: "God knew in advance who would believe and He predestined them"; but that cannot be, either from the context, or from the meaning of the words.
The key to correctly interpret and understand these verses is the context, and what the context means. Paul is very logical here, and as usual, he is being used by the Holy Spirit to convey to us the truth that salvation is completely of God and by God and for God; He is sovereign in taking us out of the darkness and translating us into the kingdom of the Son of His love. It was His idea, and it is all His work, so that no one can boast, not even in believing.
First of all, foreknowledge means the kind of knowledge that is intimate knowledge, an especial knowledge of God's people by Him: Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
In Psalm 1:6 it says "The Lord knows the way of the wicked"; that same word "knows", "yada" is the same word for "chose" in Genesis 18:19 where God says about Abraham: "in him all the nations will be blessed, for I have known him"; same word that Amos used.
We can ask the question, "does God only know the way of the wicked?", Psalm 1:6; the answer is no, He knows everybody, but this knowing means basically ordaining. What God knows in advance, He ordains in advance; the same thing is meant when He talks about Abraham, His knowledge of Abraham is a deeper knowledge than just knowing who he is.
To make this more clear we have 1Peter 1:1-2, Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God means according to His predetermined plan, it is based on His knowledge, His acknowledging, His intimate knowing and acquaintance with those who are elect based on His eternal decision to choose them.
But let's forget the meaning of foreknowledge a minute and think about what Romans 8:28-30 says; Paul says that those who love God have been called according to His purpose, and not only that, but also because He foreknew (chose) them, He predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son, and those He predestined, those He also called, and those He called, He also Justified, and those He justified, He also glorified. That is the context, and we should let the context speak.
We know; again by what the bible teaches; that we are justified by faith in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross; we are justified means we are declared righteous, "as if we never sinned". Paul stresses the point in the book of Romans; in fact he begins chapter 5 by saying "therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Rom. 5:1.
He goes on to say that Christ took our place and is by His blood that we are justified; and that we have escaped the wrath of God through Jesus, therefore having peace with God..
But then Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, that faith is a gift from God so that no one should boast about believing and about being saved from wrath by our own efforts or by anything we have done. Grace is the unmerited favor of God upon us sinners, and we have been saved by grace through faith; for when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Jesus died for the ungodly, at a time when the ungodly remained ungodly; there was no righteousness that the ungodly (you and I) could claim to present to God to earn His favor unto justification, so He had to give us faith after He gave us life by the blood of Christ. According to Paul, faith is a gift, as well as salvation.
Based on that; if those whom God predestined, those He also called, and those whom God called, He also justified; He justified them by faith, by His grace, free, not based on anything we had done; how can anyone say that God predestined someone because He foreknew that person would believe?
If faith is given by God, then foreknowing that someone would believe preordains that person to believe. It has to be like that because believing was not up to us, we were dead in trespasses and sins (Eph.2:1).
The act of believing is performed by us, but the faith to believe was granted to us by God; that is what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9; so if we are justified by faith, we are justified by His grace, that means for free, not based on any action on our part; so those whom God called, He justified and those He justified He also glorified.
We can see then that foreknowledge of those whom He predestined, was based not on our actions, or on our believing but on His choosing; we cannot say that He foreknew we would believe and then He predestined us, because the believing is caused by God in the first place; and even if that was true, then we end up in the same place anyway: God determined in advance who would believe, called them, and justified them by faith, which is His gift. So all the process from beginning to the end, from foreknowledge to glorification is the sovereign work of God by grace, and excludes all actions on our part. Period.
Once again; all this is being deducted by just looking into the scriptures themselves; we are not even talking about what Luther and Calvin 500 years ago, and Augustine some 800 years ago taught. The fact is that the reformation of the Christian faith was a blunt declaration of what I'm trying to say, just expounded into doctrines that are still being taught in the Presbyterian, Baptist and reformed churches.
On the other side, my intention is not to argue with anyone; all I'm trying to do is press the point that God reigns in everything; He is sovereign; He is the King and He does whatever He pleases in the heavens and on the earth and no one can stay His hand.
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
What does that mean? It means what it says, God made even the wicked for the day of doom; the same way that some people are predestined unto life, some are passed by in that election and left to pay for their own iniquities; that is what it means. They are the children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3.
You can try; the same way as many other people try; to refute these things and negate them in your mind because this sounds harsh; we don't like it that God being love can bypass some people and not destine them to life; but who are we to say anything? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it: why have you made me like this? Rom. 9:20.
John 10:26-30 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.
What is Jesus saying? Believing doesn't cause you to be a sheep; being a sheep causes you to believe; that is what He is saying; He makes it evident when He says: John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. We cannot come to Jesus on our own; you have to be drawn to Him by the Father; the Father is the one who chose you and predestined you, and gave you the faith, and justified you; in short He made you a sheep before the foundation of the world.
It is implied that some people are not made sheep; in fact it is not only implied by stated plainly by Jesus Himself: you are not of my sheep. "You are goats, and you don't love God, and all things will not work together for your good but for your doom; because you have not been predestined to be conformed to the image of His son, and you have not been called, justified or glorified".
Some people have been appointed; predestined; to eternal life, and those people will believe the gospel when presented to them, maybe not the first time, but they will, they cannot escape God's will for their lives; the same way that some people will not be able to escape condemnation and eternal fire, no matter how many times they hear the gospel, their heart will be hardened and they will not believe.
Act 13:46-48 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Dr. Luke, the beloved physician, was so in tune with this doctrine that he was precise enough to state that those who were appointed to eternal life believed; they did not believe and then were appointed to eternal life but the other way around; that is what Luke is saying; he could have stopped after saying that the gentiles heard this and glorified God; but makes sure that he says that those appointed to eternal life believed; that is the Holy Spirit making sure this is evident.
At any rate; I say it again, I'm not trying to argue with anyone or bring division; I'm just trying to exalt God's sovereignty in all things; that's all. Like I said before; you don't have to agree with me, or like what I say; but I think you will have to agree with God and His word even if you don't like it, it takes humility.
I personally think this doctrine is awesome; I think God is awesome; it really makes me think how great He is; how merciful and patient He has been with me; and it makes me think how depraved I am and how grateful I should be all the time for His goodness to me and my family. Personally, I can't wait to see Him face to face and enjoy His presence forever.




